And to recognise that slowly humanity is discovering the idea of liberty, equality, human rights. The naming game where did the term 'Black Irish' come from? But this example is of the opposite. I think that this article is an insult to the horrors that blacks had to go through during slavery. Thanks 4 Sharing I Got My DNA I have 21% Irish blood and My last Name is Sharp its good 2 know but its still so much hatred in the world.!! Who were you responding to? Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. The Irish were never slaves, they were indentured servants. To doubt that the Irish could be treated worse and be so adamant about it because of what you have been told your whole life makes you a bigot! Think about their rage The fighting irish especially 100 years ago you wouldnt have not one Irishman admitting they were ever slaves ( they would talk about it amongst themselves, but never with outsiders whom werent real irish. now what were we to do not fight back the ira would never of been invented had the brits not tortured us and refused us basic human rights. Fourth, historically the highest amount of interethnic marriage between two ethnic groups post civil war are Irish and African. We are Irish from the north of Ireland. Although I reject the implications of these labels, for the sake of the argument and simplicity, Ill continue to use them. I know where mine came from. Blacks are/were not the only slaves. Slavery is age old and always horrific. The slave owners of my ancestors were Dingles. This must end with the entire group of humans~~or else look forward to the re-boot of the planet~~~so if there is not change~~~I well I guess I will see all of you in the next life-time~~~lyrics from Erykah Badu~~~, [] How Blacks have Irish LastNames []. I got it on Amazon..there is a complete history of the Irish Slave trade. Famous owners of the name include actresses Debby Ryan and Meg Ryan, and comedian Katherine Ryan. I have a hard time following the discussion here, but I have made many replies. Read Deuteronomy Chapter 28 and visit http://www.israelunite.org to learn more. This reveals another cruel and inhumane treatment of the human family towards each other. Here is the thing though, when they hooked up with Africans to rebel, Bacons Rebellion, they struck a deal with the English colonists to become the slave patrols and plantation overseas. It seems some people are trying to argue as if only black people were ever slaves?? Communicating with an African would have been a completely different matter, and names would have been unpronounceable and incomprehensible to any white slave owner. Irish poet Patrick Kavanagh is one of the most famous people by the surname Kavanagh. The most Kelley families were found in USA in 1880. They either came to America as slaves, or moved to America in more modern times. First of all, the reason for the Civil War was the Confederates secession from the Union. Count DanielOMahonywas a general in the Irish Brigade and is one of the most famous people with the surname OMahoney. Black (surname) Black is a surname which can be of either English, Scottish, Irish or French origin. Im so saddened and grateful for all of your research on this. Lets recall the words of Dr. King: .Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last! . They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives. Once they were accepted as white around the Depression, they quickly became as racist as any other white person during that time and hurriedly left the neighborhoods they were living in with Blacks. By calling yourself black you are giving your power away. While these forced deportees would have included political prisoners and serious felons, it is believed that the majority came from the poor and vulnerable. My maiden name is Mc Knight. With an understanding of the Norman invaders and their integration into Irish society, we can deduce that this is, in fact, where the term Black Irish spawned from. look im from ireland we are not racist people. I just know that it opens a lot of questions as to how groups behave based on class status. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves. They fought their fellow Irishmen in the Confederate army who had similiar motivations. On December 21, 1988 Jesse Jackson and a group of other black leaders officialy declared their support for the term African American. The existence of the Celts (tribes of people that shared similar traditions, customs, language, and culture and dominated Western Europe and Ireland and Britain) can be dated as far back as 1200 BC. The only qualifying factor is; if its dehumanizing and/oppressive then its wrong! How dare you compare 100,000 indentured servants and criminals to the kidnapping of 12.5 million people? Paris Donnatella is an avid writer and traveller. My last name is Shanks n I just learned from my dad that iam part Irish. The fact that you refer to them as settlers is disturbing. Cathal OByrne As I Roved Out: A Book of The North. He gained his freedom in 7 years and bought land. The Normans were invited into Ireland by Dermot McMurrough and were led by the famous Strongbow. Origin: Irish; Meaning: "dark, black" Description: Keir is a single-syllable name that packs a lot of punch, might suggest -- thanks to its similarity to the word . Often, female Blacks slaves were impregnated by their masters to create more slaves. It depend ends on how you look at it!!!!!!! The Surname is MAY and the earliest records indicate1704 in the US. Do you still have your list of sources? Sign up to IrishCentral's newsletter to stay up-to-date with everything Irish! And a minority of slave owners were also black. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/irish-slaves-myth.amp.html. However, it is likely that they never lost their status as dark invaders or black foreigners. Please advise. Murphy 2. But you lost me where you said Irish slaves were treated worse than African slaves. As English rule in Ireland intensified at this time, it became increasingly difficult to find work if you had an Irish sounding name. It remains, therefore, a descriptive term used for many purposes, rather than a reference to an actual class of people who may have survived the centuries. What Im saying is that youre complete idiot.) My grandparent on my mothers side has an Irish maiden name and said her mother married twice, both times to Murphies. Slavery is not the problem we have to endure. http://www.academia.edu/9475964/The_Myth_of_Irish_Slaves_in_the_Colonie This story has been circulated amongst white supremacist sites and through social media, has found its way into mainstream conservative consciousness. Actress Betty White is one of the most famous people with this surname. The theory that the "Black Irish" are descendants of any small foreign group that integrated with the Irish and survived is unlikely. Ciarn ( Irish spelling) or Ciaran ( Scottish Gaelic spelling) [2] [3] is a traditionally male given name of Irish origin. Physical race traits such as skin color were used much later as a justification for slavery, not a motivation to start it. The truth is African-American is not your true nationality. Thus, Black people dont have anything of value for the most part. However, conflating the Scot-Irish with those who were the predominant focal point of British intolerance: Irish-Catholics (to include any and all Presbyterians and Dissenters among them however small a minority), as the focus of this article however factual is misdirected just as well. Indentured servitude was a form of bonded labour, whereby a migrant agreed to work for a set period of time (between two and seven years) and in return the cost of the voyage across the Atlantic was covered. The argument is as follows: the Irish had an advantage because of their skin color. In this way of debate it subdivides the issue of slavery in degrees of worse and worse-er. Nile of the nine hostages was a bit of a devil. One of the most famous people with the surname Quinn is actor Aidan Quinn. that is not true they are mixed rihannna the singer her father is of irish desent . The Snow Hawk, burthen 140 tons, with her apparel boats, *apprentices*, etc., will be sold by publick auction on Monday next, at twelve oclock in the morning at the Market House in Belfast.. So if Irish slavery and African slavery the same why arent the Irish suffering the same fate as blacks today. When such a small society is reduced in such a short time by nearly half (during the famine) theres a whole host of socio-phycological problems that ensue, one youll be familiar with we often make light of now a days when it comes to The Irish is: alcoholism, but also extreme poverty, broken families, etc, which Im sure you can relate with as a member of the African American community in the United States am I right? Second, how does the Civil War, even if it were just about slavery, diminish the atrocities of slavery, war, and maltreatment of the Irish? Whole towns disappeared into the MIddle East and North Africa as a result. Please do your own research to find out about white slavery in the Americas. What about the Irish in the south? The terminology is important, which has been duly noted and exaggerated on both ends of the discussion. we were brought up to fight oppression we refused to fight the mexicans when sent there by americans. I have always found that a fascinating sociological subject, whether its worthy of study is doubtful. That is sooooo stupid. I thought it was funny when he came out with this B.S. All this purity has got to go, and the truth come out!!! If black slavery came subsequent to Irish slavery, why do blacks still go on about their rights? I was investigating the origin of my very Irish name FRAN MCCARTHY! Do you know where you Irish surname came from? Maybe in a generalized way, but can never say for each individual. This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. Close, youd do well in not stopping there. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. Quinn 20. There are many variants of the name such as. The native Irish spoke Gaelic. Of which you can incarnate into any body next time around. The next great influx came from Northern Europe, with Viking raids occurring as early as 795 A.D. The Scottish Picts and Celts certainly had darker skins than the invading Anglo-Saxons who may have given them that nickname. Having the last name Kelly seems to place me directly in the cross hairs of this discussion. Irish slavery is *not* a myth, nor is it a lie. Also, many black women were impregnated on the slave ships and were pregnant by the time they reached the Americas. Here are the top 100 Irish surnames you're bound to experience at least once in your life! What a lot of people dont know is that Irish were slaves too, hundreds of thousands were sent to work in the West Indies and they blended with the black slaves thus we have Irish names like McFadden, McDonalds, etc. Black people with names with Mc in them likely acquired them in one of four ways: they could be descendants of slaves who were owned by an Irish or Scottish slaveowner. Kelly (46480) 3. Enough is enough. During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. But this should not turn into a contest of who had it worst. The Mac prefix translates to the son of and is commonly seen in Irish surnames, as well as Scottish. So for me. Hell is running over, with the evilness of mans inhumanity to their fellow men, women and children. Most of these people in america are full of hate poisoned by their governments through their food, water and air. Their solution to this problem was to start a system of banishment,not unlike what Stalin had done later in the 1930s ,banishing peasants , kulaks, political opponents and others deemed as undesirables and enemies of the state to prison camps and salt mines in the desolate Siberia. To review, my points are thus: The byword "African-American" was just adopted by our ppl in the 1980s due to the counsel of our so-called black "leaders" a Jesse Jackson. I know for some sorry isnt enough and I agree .However Im more concerned with my family that was shackled, bound, branded raped, sold. http://theirishwereslavestoo.tumblr.com/post/120600939730/debunked-the-global-research-article-on-irish, Maybe those books can help youtheres many more, this is not something made up by one person on one website. This country was built on slavery of Asians, Indians, and Africans followed by the systematic oppression of those people by the English and Dutch. the first anit miscegenation laws were passed to prevent such mixing. I also have enslaved Africans in my lineage who have an Irish surname. O'Carroll 23. Yes, the Irish were treated horribly by the English, but they were not sold as slaves, per se, to the West Indies. Northern Irish football player Alex Higgins is one of the most well-known people with this surname. The African slave trade was a better deal. Again , please dont source liam hogan lol haha, he is a librarian.not a historian!!!!! you go to an irish catholic area and you will see paintings of nelson mandela on the walls and other people we support the oppressed always have. His name is Liam Hogan or should I say Lord Hogan lol. Last name: Black. So no, they werent only raped by the master but any children born of these rapes became the property of the plantation owners. There were NO WHITE OR IRISH SLAVES IN THE US. The Table shown here gives a listing of the 100 most commonly names found in Ireland and their meanings. Many Native American tribes would enslave other tribes that theyd conquer. My great great great great grandfathers name is the same as mine. First, there was intermarriage in early America before slavery. No Irish Catholic had the right to own land in Ireland. It began as indentured slavery otherwise known as servitude. This fact is recorded in ancient China, Egypt and Mesopotamia. After which they were given the title of white and used as overseers on plantations. that because they werent born into chattel their plight isnt worth acknowledgement. In 1840 there were 196 Blake families living in Maine. Its really amazing to see once you notice it. Only a few blacks were able to do this. My ancestors great great great great great grandparents, one French, one black, moved to new Orleans together (after his wife died) and owned slaves. 250 years you say? The Iber inhabited Spain/Portugal which they named after themselves, the Iberian Peninsular, they were later chased out by barbarians into a new land they also named after themselves, Hibernia (Literally the land of the Hebrews) which is Ireland. And there, my friends, you have the truth of the matter. No one in the homeland was safe. Indentured servitude is a form of slavery not *voluntary servitude*. But still many commentators, and even thought our recent political history, make topics like these into racial issues. Again get creditable sources!!!!!!!! It's quite popular in Scotland. They are the dregs of the white race. One of the most notable people with the surname Dunne is Irish entrepreneur and former director of Dunnes Stores Ben Dunne. So they forgot where there came from, slavery and became slavers or helped them. ODwyer is a popular Irish name in Australia with cricketer Edmund Thomas ODwyer and National Rugby League player Luke ODwyer both having the name. A less cruel owner with black slaves who do not forget were more valuable, would treat them better than a meaner person with Irish, and visa versa. Ireland Before You Die (IB4UD) is the biggest Irish travel and culture website. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. Its meaning varies and such differences are contingent upon time and place. Indentured is a form of slavery. A total of 455,000 Africans out of 12.5 million were brought to America from the 17th century till it stopped in 1820. It's a playful invitation to receive a kiss from someone who identifies as Irish or who is . Since enslaved blacks did not have last names at the time the Civil War ended, many were catalogued on freedmens lists and forced to adopt last names. Though slavery did and still occurs worldwide, chattel slavery was an American created tradition whereby the condition of the mother indicated whether or not a child was born free or enslaved.. Notable Flanagans include actor Tommy Flanagan and actress Crista Flanagan. 5. I watch an old Irish movie years ago and when the old lady washing her clothes in a pan was cursing someone saying what the rass cloth,. This entire article reads like those oh-so-learned-sounding pieces that explain why women are simply not suited to traditionally male jobs, or why Black Americans by design and selection are simply not suitable for the sciences or for generic corporate America, and should stick to sports and physical labor. Blacks participated and also were complacent in the slave trades. I am in my late 40s. Not Wikipedia, or self proclaimed historians with B.S. The Irish are Iber-ish (Hebrew man) The only notable distinction is that the import/export of slaves reached a pinnacle during the colonization of the Americas era and Blacks were the main slave stock being exchanged at the time. They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. Some sources propose that the term is in reference to Spanish soldiers. Daly 25. An indentured servant is not a slave. Some aspects of racism are religious others are cultural but in most cases have nothing to do with something as simple as skin color and are definitely not limited to Blacks. There WERE absentee Irish SLAVEOWNERS. Always a good idea not to counter generalizations with more generalizations and no sources. They include Ardagh, Athy, Bray, Kelly, Sutton, and a few others. My Mom is Caucasion and Scottish. Where they were made to feel unwelcome, they headed for the hills, which is why we have the Appalachian populations, and others like them, populating those hills to this day. Africa was named after a so-called white man by the name of Scipio Africanus. Wants take a guess on my choice of colors ; Brown, White, Blue, and Black . African to African forced breeding was not even a thing, much less from another race. in 1697 John Locke recommended the whipping of those who refused to work and the herding of beggars into workhouses. It is widely believed that the Norman invaders of Ireland are who is commonly referred to as the black Irish. The Celtsarrived on the island about the year 500 B.C. http://www.irishsurnames.com/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?name=dudley&capname=Dudley&letter=d. Were Irelands Viking invaders high on hallucinogenic herbal tea? By the mid-19th-century, Byrne was one of the most common Irish family names in Wicklow, recorded 1203 times. Just as some Black werent slaves, but that is neither representative of the story of American slavery or their lot I would suspect. This was about 14% of all the recorded Blake's in USA. Please stop, bad mouthing people, that sacrifice their time to look through many books to put stories together in order to bring us something new. As for how, I insist on the qualifier some, of the Blacks got their last names, I think this may just be embellished truth. I assume many of the ones the worked side by side with the Irish slaves used their last name in hopes of not being made to take the slave owners name. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle. And I didnt look at the color of the skin of my brothers nor sisters. If white apprentices could be sold as part of a ships chattels, it is not surprising to learn, according to a further announcement in the same paper, that: A Black Negro man, well qualified in labour and industry, for a gentlemans house, garden or stable, who has seven years eto serve this nation is now to be disposed of. @My Creole Belle You are a perfect example of exactly why the oppressed Irish and blacks never came together and united against their common oppressors; because the oppressors (the ruling class of white racists) loved nothing more than to play the lesser races off against each other. The Gaelic word for foreigner is "gall" and for black (or dark) is "dubh.". Louisiana is one hundred apologetically AFRICAN roots. Nor do I expect people will understand who the English landlords (a.k.a. 8. O'Connor 10. They were opposed by the native Irish (as they still are today), and as compensation given land and status in the New World. Like the Vikings, they shared similar dark intentions to rule the country, the native Irish people, and colonise the land. Modern examples of Irish/African being Barack Obama, Muhammad Ali, Dr Martin Luther King, Dr Henry Louis Gates, Colin Powell etc Even in modern times the two groups live in a lot of the same places, vote the same way politically, and both historically have been devalued unfairly by the Romanized world. We were dwelling in Africa before being sold to the so-called white man (Edomites) by the hands of Africans (Hamites, specifically Tyre and Sidon) and Arabs (Palestine). Is a Black slave with an Irish father any less Irish than African? The vast majority of labourers who agreed to this system did so voluntarily, but there were many who were forcibly transplanted from the British Isles to the colonies and sold into indentured service against their will. One of the most famous people with the surname Maguire is actor Tobey Maguire. This has already been disproven. They live as second class citizens and are called red-legs and red-necks etc by the rest of the population due to their fair skins getting burned by the sun. I have been enjoying ancestry. The point that you all seem to be continually missing is that AT THE TIME Irish people werent considered to be white. Irish was not even a nationality at the time Catholic hovel living tenant farmers who couldnt vote, couldnt hold office, were taxed for their religious beliefs, couldnt pass the land to their children, couldnt learn in Catholic schools, had their language officially prohibited, subsisted on the potato, and were largely ignored when they were starving to death by their ruling government (Britain), evicted from their homes, sent off to die in the workhouses of Ireland, women shipped out in the scheme of assisted emigration, did I forget something? Anglo-Irish) were in Ireland. They were also raped by their white captors and dealers while in the holding cells that lined the coasts of Africa.